Curse

neuaelr · Oct 15, 2007, 05:25 PM // 17:25

personally, I'd like to see the requirements changed. Instead of having to max 10 title tracks, instead, make it so, you have to beat prophecies, factions, nightfall, and eye of the north, obtain a imperial Phoenix as your pet from Factions, and maybe have a new mob a celestial phoenix (similar to the one you deal with in the factions mission reaching to the stars or whatever).

And that Celestial Phoenix would give you a quest, dunno, make it long, but not overly difficult, from there, after you complete it, the Rainbow Phoenix would appear in HoM and you'd have to get rid of the imperial phoenix to charm it and what not.

Also about the quest idea, make it so , it spans all campigns. But don't make it a elite quest, or anything.

Better yet, make the quest require the imperial phoenix of course, it would be given by a celestial phoenix like i stated, but make it an ascention quest for the imperial phoenix to become a rainbow phoenix. That way, you still need to level your imperial phoneix to 20, beat all campigns, and do the quest given out by the celestial phoenix.

I think that would be fair enough for a pet that A. doesn't go into towns. B. only shows up outside with that specific skill. and C. It still requires a good amount of work.

I'll be honest, i don't want to max out title tracks, i don't have the luxary of time to do it in.

As someone else said, make it so people know me, gives a miniature rainbow phoenix to display in towns, that would be better.

Darksun · Oct 15, 2007, 05:40 PM // 17:40

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Originally Posted by tmakinen

Hmm ... PKM is neither hard nor expensive. Titles that you can max with little effort and zero gold are:
Lightbringer
Sunspear
Protector (3 titles)
Cartographer (4 titles)

"little effort". that's hilarious. Not everyone is 15 and plays videogames all day. I'd like to see how many hours you have to dump into all that. Some people have jobs.

If you want to say that the Phoenix should be for 1337 ppl, who spend hours running around maps & killing monsters to get titles, fine. But don't insult people's intelligence by saying it requires "little effort". 50+ hours of gameplay is not "little effort".

RedNova88 · Oct 16, 2007, 01:03 AM // 01:03

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Originally Posted by Darksun

"little effort". that's hilarious. Not everyone is 15 and plays videogames all day. I'd like to see how many hours you have to dump into all that. Some people have jobs.

If you want to say that the Phoenix should be for 1337 ppl, who spend hours running around maps & killing monsters to get titles, fine. But don't insult people's intelligence by saying it requires "little effort". 50+ hours of gameplay is not "little effort".

Agreed. Just because it's easy for some, doesn't mean it's easy for all. Some people play this game for hours upon hours in a single sitting (myself). But others have JOBS and others have responsibilities to take care of instead of playing a game all day. On another note it took me about 50 hours to get Legendary Survivor so I'm pretty sure it would take much longer than that to get all the titles mentioned. They may not cost anything, but they're very time consuming.

Also. What if they were to just make the Rainbow Phoenix a pet that would follow you around no matter what? And it could still attack and such, but unless you tamed it, it would only attack in PvE? That way non-rangers would still be able to be proud of it.

Kusandaa · Oct 16, 2007, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Originally Posted by Darksun

"little effort". that's hilarious. Not everyone is 15 and plays videogames all day. I'd like to see how many hours you have to dump into all that. Some people have jobs.

If you want to say that the Phoenix should be for 1337 ppl, who spend hours running around maps & killing monsters to get titles, fine. But don't insult people's intelligence by saying it requires "little effort". 50+ hours of gameplay is not "little effort".

Or saying that a buncha people who happen to have PKM are 15 and play all day. I'm a 22-year-old married student, and I've got PKM on my main char. I did play a lot when I didn't have classes this summer

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However, I got the phoenix on my necromancer (my main) and I use it

. I play N/R b/p for ToPK groups and I really like it. Sure a more... useful reward would have been nice, but I'm not complaining with the Rainbow Phoenix either; it's nice.

Nyktos · Oct 16, 2007, 01:43 AM // 01:43

How about just letting you give the phoenix to a hero? That way (theoretically) everyone can use it.

Some Guru Named Kai · Oct 16, 2007, 01:57 AM // 01:57

The first tier, "Kind of a Big Deal" sounds reasonable to me. Hardcore PvE players aren't losing their Rainbow Pheonix, and Casual PvE players aren't overwhelmed with having to max 10 titles. Some may say you're losing the rarity of it, but, glorification usually occurs only in towns and outpost where you can't see a pet.

Granted, 5 titles max still require effort from the person. If it's "easy" for you to obtain, you may be leaning more towards hardcore than casual, IMO, not that there's anything wrong with either way of playing.

Anywho, this would be a change I'm really rooting for, so let's keep this thread productive and leave the bashing on age groups/playing time/life habits/etc. at the Temple of Balthazar American District 1...

Div · Oct 16, 2007, 09:52 AM // 09:52

If your skills weren't disabled for forever when the pet dies, I'd actually use it. It's not like 1-2 slots on your skillbar is that vital in most PvE anyways :P

Faer · Oct 16, 2007, 10:04 AM // 10:04

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Originally Posted by Sword

I didnt even bother reading the post

Then please refrain from commenting on it.

Aera · Oct 16, 2007, 10:11 AM // 10:11

...I wonder when people stop caring about reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally little things like this.

It's a reward, you have to earn it, don't want to? Your loss. That's how it goes really.

Making things easier to get is not nice, just look at the gladiator title track...

tmakinen · Oct 16, 2007, 10:24 AM // 10:24

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Originally Posted by Darksun

"little effort". that's hilarious. Not everyone is 15 and plays videogames all day. I'd like to see how many hours you have to dump into all that. Some people have jobs.

Mmm-hmm ... I'm 40, married with kids and in a reasonably well-paid job. Getting PKM as I suggested might well take up to 200 hours of in-game time, but when you spread that over a course of a year it's far from playing all day round. I never said that you are supposed to get it overnight, and when compared to some real life tasks as writing a Ph.D., building your own house, or indeed raising three children (all at the same time, BTW), then it's a negligible effort that one can do just for the fun of it.

-Loki- · Oct 16, 2007, 10:24 AM // 10:24

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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

for those people who work, or have to do things outside of the game and maybe only get 3-5 hours in the evening to play, gaining People Know Me does take a long time.

I wish I got 3-5 hours in the evening to play Guild Wars (or any game).

Cebe · Oct 16, 2007, 10:29 AM // 10:29

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Originally Posted by Aera

...I wonder when people stop caring about reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally little things like this.

It's a reward, you have to earn it, don't want to? Your loss. That's how it goes really.

Making things easier to get is not nice, just look at the gladiator title track...

But this thread isn't really about wanting or not wanting the Pheonix, it's discussing the fact that getting a tameable animal at KoaBD rank 2 is only properly usable by a few professions. Now, getting such a reward is nice, but perhaps it should be a more appropriate reward?

For instance, I might want a Rainbow Phoenix on my beastmaster. He currently has no maxed titles. My Ele is the only character I am prepared to title grind on. So...how useful is a tameable pet likely to be for her?

One solution to this problem would be to allow heroes to be able to tame the phoenix, so that characters who don't want to be R/X or X/R can make use of it. Another solution would be to have a different reward depending on the Primary profession of the character with the title. Perhaps an alternative solution would be to do as Some Guru Named Kai suggests, and have the phoenix available at Rank 1 of KoaBD, which means it's more readily obtainable across multiple characters. Personally I wouldn't be in favour of the latter, like the OP, I think it should be there for people who have put a little more effort into gaining the title, but perhaps the "reward" for such an act should be re-considered.

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Originally Posted by -Loki-

I wish I got 3-5 hours in the evening to play Guild Wars (or any game).

Well there are things I should be doing, I just choose to ignore them.

freekedoutfish · Oct 16, 2007, 11:28 AM // 11:28

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Originally Posted by Lonk

We all know it's "special" but who is honestly going to put Charm Animal on their skillbar just to bring a pet along to show off in 99% of cases?

*puts his hand up*

Im an ele/ranger at the minute and I got my rainbow pheonix to 20 a few weeks ago and I love it. I know eles arent great with pets, but I love it.

I like taking it into FA and having ppl go "Oooooo".

I agree a pet isnt a 100% usefull reward, but what else could they give us for being PKM? Not alot!

Maybe add more pets for higher ranks in th KOABD title.